# 2819 Judging the Judges


Q. Re question 2815 above. Following Horav Miller’s response, why when we do Hatoras Nedarim on Erev Rosh Hashana we address even a Beis Din arranged together from the most simple people present in shul (that a least understand what is happening) as Dayonim Mumchim. (expert judges)?
A. The source for the nusach that includes the title ‘Dayonim Mumchim,’ in Hatoras Nedorim is the Sheloh Hakodosh (beginning of Yuma). The siddur of the Aderess omits it, since it does no apply in our days. Kol Nidrei (p. 739: n. 8) adds that the Steipler Gaon and Horav Eliashiv zt’l, also excluded the title, when they were matir nedorim, however Horav S.Z. Auerbach zt’l kept it.
Nidrei Zerizim (3: 228: 14) explains in a way similar to the above question, that it is permitted in order to honor people. He adds that giving the titles Rav or Chacham in a Get to one that isn’t does not disqualify the divorce.
Horav Shlomo Miller’s Shlit’a opinion is that notwithstanding what was mentioned in the prior answer regarding the title Rav, the title Dayonim Mumchim could be used, since it is mentioned only to a small group and not consistently.
Rabbi A. Bartfeld as advised by Horav Shlomo Miller and Horav Aharon Miller Shlit’a


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